Theo Fox
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Theo Fox: Training Camp: Day 14
A review of Day 14 of Blackhawks training camp including thoughts on whether the team should consider a roster combination of 15F + 6D + 2G given the glut of forwards and blueline injuries.
Plus, a summary of the IceHogs preseason rematch with the junior Wild. |
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tvetter
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Location: Burkesville, KY Joined: 12.16.2015
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If the Hawks put C Jones and Kalynuk on IR, would that allow them space to keep everyone who isn't waiver exempt while saving Shaw's contract for in-season LTIR? |
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jhawk59
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Joined: 02.15.2013
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I would bet that Moberg is better than Krutl or DJ King. At least this season. Moberg should be in Rockford and the other two play big minutes in the ECHL
As for prospects whom are reisticly possible recall,
I like Slavin style and big body - there is a place for his type on bottom line. Could be a solid player who can chip in some goals.. However, there are only so many openings. Perhaps Entwhistle ultimately prevails over Slavin..I know ow many like R Johnson. But he is roughly the same as Kampf offensively. He had 25 goals high total in junior. Altybarmakian though could be an agitator but can score too. Similar to Shaw. Barret has more skill
as playmaker than "Alty" yet his skating is average/ better than Strome. I suspect another year experience then both Barret and Alty are desirable bottom line parts.
Slavin possibly could be a cheap contract around the league as a big size solid north - south player.
Morrison = Bickell. Maybe scores more and is more consistent. Bickel had motivation issues. Don t know if fir years early stage of vertigo affected motivation
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rpeters01
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Joined: 07.09.2016
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I would bet that Moberg is better than Krutl or DJ King. At least this season. Moberg should be in Rockford and the other two play big minutes in the ECHL
As for prospects whom are reisticly possible recall,
I like Slavin style and big body - there is a place for his type on bottom line. Could be a solid player who can chip in some goals.. However, there are only so many openings. Perhaps Entwhistle ultimately prevails over Slavin..I know ow many like R Johnson. But he is roughly the same as Kampf offensively. He had 25 goals high total in junior. Altybarmakian though could be an agitator but can score too. Similar to Shaw. Barret has more skill
as playmaker than "Alty" yet his skating is average/ better than Strome. I suspect another year experience then both Barret and Alty are desirable bottom line parts.
Slavin possibly could be a cheap contract around the league as a big size solid north - south player.
Morrison = Bickell. Maybe scores more and is more consistent. Bickel had motivation issues. Don t know if fir years early stage of vertigo affected motivation - jhawk59
He didn't have vertigo he had mis/undiagnosed MS. When healthy he was an excellent player I doubt Morrison ever sees Bickell's good days but we can hope. For a big guy Bickell could move. |
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Doesn’t matter how good your defenseman or defensive structure is when you have at most 3 forwards that would be considered plus defensively. And “working on becoming a 200 ft. Player”;does not make you a plus defensive forward.
Per LA Hawk
Watching good defensive teams a constant i see is 3 players form a triangle around the goalie in the defensive end, 2 dmen low and 1 forward in the center but below the circles, which i think would help them on the PK as well. Blackhawks don't really have any sort of structure in the defensive zone, forwards drifting, dmen sloppily protecting the house briefly until they think there's a play to be made on the boards. Hard to be good defensively if there is no structure created by the coaching staff.
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paulr
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Location: YYZ Joined: 06.26.2011
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Doesn’t matter how good your defenseman or defensive structure is when you have at most 3 forwards that would be considered plus defensively. And “working on becoming a 200 ft. Player”;does not make you a plus defensive forward.
Per LA Hawk
Watching good defensive teams a constant i see is 3 players form a triangle around the goalie in the defensive end, 2 dmen low and 1 forward in the center but below the circles, which i think would help them on the PK as well. Blackhawks don't really have any sort of structure in the defensive zone, forwards drifting, dmen sloppily protecting the house briefly until they think there's a play to be made on the boards. Hard to be good defensively if there is no structure created by the coaching staff. - BetweenTheDots
I have no idea if Colliton is a good coach or not but a coach is only as good as the talent he has at his disposal. Look no further than one of the best coaches in the history of the NHL, Joel Quenneville, unable to do anything with a lack of talent in his last few years in Chicago. He was unable to provide structure. Why? I’ll let you ponder that and see if you are able to come up with an answer. Of course it’s so much easier blaming one person, Murphy last season and Colliton this.
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I have no idea if Colliton is a good coach or not but a coach is only as good as the talent he has at his disposal. Look no further than one of the best coaches in the history of the NHL, Joel Quenneville, unable to do anything with a lack of talent in his last few years in Chicago. He was unable to provide structure. Why? I’ll let you ponder that and see if you are able to come up with an answer. Of course it’s so much easier blaming one person, Murphy last season and Colliton this. - paulr
At least with coach Q we would know it's the players. With coach Q dmen weren't abandoning the house and having forwards play the last line of defense. Well except for Murphy abandoning the house. |
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paulr
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Location: YYZ Joined: 06.26.2011
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At least with coach Q we would know it's the players. With coach Q dmen weren't abandoning the house and having forwards play the last line of defense. Well except for Murphy abandoning the house. - BetweenTheDots
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RickJ
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Location: Burlington, ON Joined: 01.12.2010
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I have no idea if Colliton is a good coach or not but a coach is only as good as the talent he has at his disposal. Look no further than one of the best coaches in the history of the NHL, Joel Quenneville, unable to do anything with a lack of talent in his last few years in Chicago. He was unable to provide structure. Why? I’ll let you ponder that and see if you are able to come up with an answer. Of course it’s so much easier blaming one person, Murphy last season and Colliton this. - paulr
While Colliton has overall resposibility, nobody ever mentions the roles Brookbank and Marc Crawford play. Brookbank got promoted from Rockford at the same time as Colliton, his coaching experience is/was limited to say the least. Anybody really know if he qualified to coach defenceman at the NHL level?
There are guys around the league who have made careers as defence/PK coaches- Jacques Martin, Luke Richardson, Todd Richards, Mike Yeo ..... Brookbanks's men need to start showing some improved results, the NHL isn't the instructional league.
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While Colliton has overall resposibility, nobody ever mentions the roles Brookbank and Marc Crawford play. Brookbank got promoted from Rockford at the same time as Colliton, his coaching experience is/was limited to say the least. Anybody really know if he qualified to coach defenceman at the NHL level?
There are guys around the league who have made careers as defence/PK coaches- Jacques Martin, Luke Richardson, Todd Richards, Mike Yeo ..... Brookbanks's men need to start showing some improved results, the NHL isn't the instructional league. - RickJ
I get what you're saying but doesn't that fall on the head coach and the gm who hired him? What good does it do to have a head coach who doesn't know what a good defensive structure should be. Just think they extended him 2 years in January.
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paulr
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Location: YYZ Joined: 06.26.2011
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I get what you're saying but doesn't that fall on the head coach and the gm who hired him? What good does it do to have a head coach who doesn't know what a good defensive structure should be. Just think they extended him 2 years in January. - BetweenTheDots
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224/162 - paulr
I still appreciate you comparing Dach to Kane. Thanks for that |
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paulr
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Location: YYZ Joined: 06.26.2011
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While Colliton has overall resposibility, nobody ever mentions the roles Brookbank and Marc Crawford play. Brookbank got promoted from Rockford at the same time as Colliton, his coaching experience is/was limited to say the least. Anybody really know if he qualified to coach defenceman at the NHL level?
There are guys around the league who have made careers as defence/PK coaches- Jacques Martin, Luke Richardson, Todd Richards, Mike Yeo ..... Brookbanks's men need to start showing some improved results, the NHL isn't the instructional league. - RickJ
The coaching staff have been given a number of new players. Let’s see what they do with the new hand they’ve been given. |
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paulr
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Location: YYZ Joined: 06.26.2011
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I still appreciate you comparing Dach to Kane. Thanks for that - BetweenTheDots
Any time Hypertension Boy.
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The coaching staff have been given a number of new players. Let’s see what they do with the new hand they’ve been given. - paulr
Good thing they sent Reichel down so he has a shot unlike Dach will never have i guess because you said so |
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powerenforcer
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Location: Wheeling, IL Joined: 09.24.2009
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I thought Barkov was going to be Stan's big FA signing next summer. |
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Strome on the number 1 penalty kill tonight, oh boy that'll be interesting |
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powerenforcer
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Location: Wheeling, IL Joined: 09.24.2009
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Strome on the number 1 penalty kill tonight, oh boy that'll be interesting - BetweenTheDots
0 goals against! |
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scottak
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Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley! Joined: 08.06.2010
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To clarify, Colliton is NOT a ‘beer league’ coach.
He’s a Swedish Tier 2 league coach. |
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mohel
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Location: IL Joined: 02.08.2013
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I get what you're saying but doesn't that fall on the head coach and the gm who hired him? What good does it do to have a head coach who doesn't know what a good defensive structure should be. Just think they extended him 2 years in January. - BetweenTheDots
No. It falls on the owner, who hired the GM, who then hired the coach and the assistants. |
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mohel
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Location: IL Joined: 02.08.2013
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The coaching staff have been given a number of new players. Let’s see what they do with the new hand they’ve been given. - paulr
Look, Jerky, they've played what, like 5 preseason games? How much rope you wanna give these ice holes? |
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mohel
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Location: IL Joined: 02.08.2013
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https://twitter.com/ByScottPowers/status/1446877667517767680?t=VJpHlejW4KjxCzGibe0amg&s=01
This is great news - BetweenTheDots
He didn't say anything. |
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DarthKane
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Location: 5.13.4.9 Joined: 02.23.2012
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https://twitter.com/ByScottPowers/status/1446877667517767680?t=VJpHlejW4KjxCzGibe0amg&s=01
This is great news - BetweenTheDots
Toews will be a fine addition to the 3rd line. |
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gabriel
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Location: West Lafayette, IN Joined: 02.02.2013
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Like where you are going with this, Dots. Two years of routine defensive breakdowns and no changes behind the bench? How could 3 sets of new eyes hurt their chances? A total enigma to me why they continue to embrace the status quo, when clearly, the situation is far from good enough. Ideally, have one of the new 3 A's, be ready to jump in as interim, if things deteriorate. As things now stand, who would you want from our current trio to run things? I think that question answers itself. |
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